Woman hit by suspected drag racers dies

[Speedie07]

Speaking of all of this does anybody know how the lady in the SUV from Saturday night turned out? You'll know what I'm talking about if you were there if not I'm mot explaining due to not knowing the details.

[Mach828]

You can't convict someone of a criminal charge based on what might of happened. You can't assume that if they weren't going so fast/racing/etc, then the impact might not have been enough to kill her. Too many factors and what if's.

If the fact of the matter is she failed to yield to oncoming traffic, then she is fully/partially responsible for the outcome of the accident. It will be very hard to prove otherwise.

I've seen where someone is trying to make a left turn at an intersection, the light turns yellow, then red and someone else is going through the light, they collide, and then the person who made the left in front of the red light runner gets ticketed for failure to yield.

[Mach828]

Originally Posted by X-runner

What it comes down to is this.

It takes more than speed to kill someone. The driver either pulled out in front of them or they ran a red light/stop sign. Speed doesn't kill you, suddenly becoming stationary does. We are all quick to judge other peoples actions as long as its not YOU. How would you like to be blamed for an accident like this that wasn't even your fault? What if they really did pull out in front of you and you killed that person. Would you like to end up in jail for being wrongfully accused? That happens a lot sadly. I'm not sticking up for either one and we understand that a loved one was lost and our prayers go out to that family but just because the NEWS says they were street racing doesn't mean they should be treated like murderers all of a sudden... It's the fucking NEWS for damn sake... they made pedo bear a big phenomenon... Don't let them brainwash you and think something that isn't even real possibly. Now if they were racing and ran a light or stop sign then yes they should serve their time but if they were just racing and that lady decided to pull out in front of them then who is to blame?

+HP exactly

Originally Posted by The ///Man

Here's the thing. If they were driving the speed limit and paying attention to the road, they very well may notice a car coming off a side street and have time to react accordingly, applying brakes, swerving, etc. if they were racing, well past the speed limit, and paying attention to each other, rpms, banging gears, etc. and they don't have the distance to react for the speed they are traveling, whether or not someone pulled in front is invalid. A car can stop very fast from 50, from 100 is a different story, not to mention reaction times and feet per minute to react. It sucks if she pulled out in front of them, but it sucks even worse of she died because of two guys in a dick measuring contest that don't understand there is a time and place for everything. They are a young couple and it's very sad for all parties involved.

You can't convict someone of a criminal charge by saying if they were going 10mph slower and not looking over at the car next to them, they may have been able to react better and avoid the accident. Way too many variables and what if's. That's like saying well if an old person was younger, or a young driver was more experienced, they might have been able better react to the situation and avoid a fatal accident. You can't prove that is a fact, and you can't prove that in court.

Now if a cop was chasing them, and clocked them at 110mph and driving wrecklessly, or if there was a video, then that would be different because there is hard evidence. But we can't let the news or anyone else, without proven facts or bias information, try to make unproven assumptions...facts to influence public opinion and influence the outcome of a trail. Thats not the kind of media influence any of us should support.

[The ///Man]

Fact is, if she died while they were breaking the law, it can be charged as manslaughter.

[X-runner]

Originally Posted by The ///Man

Fact is, if she died while they were breaking the law, it can be charged as manslaughter.

If it's true then yes but don't let the social media brainwash you into thinking something that hasn't even been proven yet. For all we know they could have been driving the speed limit or even a little over the speed limit and that is why they were considered to be street racing. I got tboned about a couple of years ago and the dude hit me going 50... didn't even touch his brakes either because he didn't react fast enough or he didn't realize what he was doing... He was at fault because he ran a red light but if I would have been the one that ran the red light the outcome may have been the same except I would be at fault... he was going the posted speed limit and he didn't react in time... point of that is to prove that even going the posted speed limit or even obeying the laws in all cases doesn't give you a higher chance at survival at the time of an accident in most cases at the time of an accident it's really just luck. I was lucky to actually be able to get out of my truck after it stopped and go check on the other guy that had rolled his vehicle after he hit me. I walked away from that accident without a scratch... That's the thing though... If I was severely injured and I had ran the red light would I be going after the other guy for my injuries? Of course not!.... If he would have been going at a faster rate of speed than what was posted could I go after that guy if I ran the red light? of course not!... Just because someone passed away in accident doesn't mean we have the right to pursue someone to get our revenge.

[slowLSx]

Originally Posted by The ///Man

Fact is, if she died while they were breaking the law, it can be charged as manslaughter.

Didn't she break the law as well? And could have been prevented also if she didn't run the stop sign in the first place? It's 50-50. If would have wrecked and not died it would have been, a death shouldn't change something automatically

[Mach828]

Yes. If they can prove they were actually street racing, then yes they can say the were driving recklessly, and that the street racers demonstrated a conscious disregard for human life with malice implied, and then they can be criminally charged. Key word charged, not convicted.

I am just saying there needs to be real proof first, and I don't want the media trying to sway public opinion without facts. I drive next to my car friends normally, as do many of us. And we are just cruising. If I was out just cruising and someone pulled out in front of my friend and I and that person died, then I wouldn't deserve a murder charge. We need to know all the actual proven facts before we start making assumptions and convictions.

[Adobedude]

Originally Posted by Mach828

Yes. If they can prove they were actually street racing, then yes they can say the were driving recklessly, and that the street racers demonstrated a conscious disregard for human life with malice implied, and then they can be criminally charged. Key word charged, not convicted.

I am just saying there needs to be real proof first, and I don't want the media trying to sway public opinion without facts. I drive next to my car friends normally, as do many of us. And we are just cruising. If I was out just cruising and someone pulled out in front of my friend and I and that person died, then I wouldn't deserve a murder charge. We need to know all the actual proven facts before we start making assumptions and convictions.

As in the Trayvon Martin / Zimmerman case.

Gotta know all the facts first.

But I'd still like to see a picture of the guy driving the Mustang.

[brute]

Originally Posted by The ///Man

Fact is, if she died while they were breaking the law, it can be charged as manslaughter.

Amen.

Originally Posted by X-runner

If it's true then yes but don't let the social media brainwash you ... blah blah blah

Don't start on the social media brainwashing... seriously? Someone lost their life. Have some respect.

Originally Posted by slowLSx

Didn't she break the law as well? And could have been prevented also if she didn't run the stop sign in the first place? It's 50-50. If would have wrecked and not died it would have been, a death shouldn't change something automatically

Speculation. Quit arguing points when the facts haven't been presented.

Originally Posted by Mach828

Yes. If they can prove they were actually street racing, then yes they can say the were driving recklessly, and that the street racers demonstrated a conscious disregard for human life with malice implied, and then they can be criminally charged. Key word charged, not convicted.

Street racers display reckless driving, conscious disregard for human life, etc. every time they race. It should not take an accident to 'prove' this. Whether or not something bad happens during the race, the racers are still displaying these characteristics.

Originally Posted by Mach828

I am just saying there needs to be real proof first, and I don't want the media trying to sway public opinion without facts. I drive next to my car friends normally, as do many of us. And we are just cruising. If I was out just cruising and someone pulled out in front of my friend and I and that person died, then I wouldn't deserve a murder charge. We need to know all the actual proven facts before we start making assumptions and convictions.

Yes, there does need to be proof, rather than speculation. Media 'swaying' people to dislike street racers? Street racers jumping in to defend each other and blaming the other driver? Same argument. Quit speculating.

[X-runner]

Originally Posted by brute

Amen.



Don't start on the social media brainwashing... seriously? Someone lost their life. Have some respect.



Speculation. Quit arguing points when the facts haven't been presented.



Street racers display reckless driving, conscious disregard for human life, etc. every time they race. It should not take an accident to 'prove' this. Whether or not something bad happens during the race, the racers are still displaying these characteristics.



Yes, there does need to be proof, rather than speculation. Media 'swaying' people to dislike street racers? Street racers jumping in to defend each other and blaming the other driver? Same argument. Quit speculating.

We aren't speculating anything. Just stating the obvious... People are acting like these guys are murderers just because of what some news station said... I have kept my respect on this topic.

[digzober]

Originally Posted by brute

Amen.



Don't start on the social media brainwashing... seriously? Someone lost their life. Have some respect.



Speculation. Quit arguing points when the facts haven't been presented.



Street racers display reckless driving, conscious disregard for human life, etc. every time they race. It should not take an accident to 'prove' this. Whether or not something bad happens during the race, the racers are still displaying these characteristics.



Yes, there does need to be proof, rather than speculation. Media 'swaying' people to dislike street racers? Street racers jumping in to defend each other and blaming the other driver? Same argument. Quit speculating.

This is a TRUE STREET CARS! What the FUCK did you expect? lol

[The ///Man]

How is saying they were probably breaking the law any different than saying she probably was breaking the law?

[Mach828]

Originally Posted by brute

Don't start on the social media brainwashing... seriously? Someone lost their life. Have some respect.

Speculation. Quit arguing points when the facts haven't been presented.

Yes, there does need to be proof, rather than speculation. Media 'swaying' people to dislike street racers? Street racers jumping in to defend each other and blaming the other driver? Same argument. Quit speculating.

The day you believe and trust that the media, a public leader, politician, or celebrity figure is always telling you the total unbiased truth for nothing but the good of all humanity ... is the day you hand over your right of freedom.

[The ///Man]

Ummmm you believe the media that she pulled out in front of two cars putting along

[goin crazy]

It would be a totally different story if any one of you were related or married to this girl.